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Orca
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Why not?


November 4, 2013 at 8:15 AM Flag Quote & Reply

raymerjacque
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because we have both steam and wine on the distro and they arent 100% compatible with 64bit. 

Secondly, why do you need 64bit when you can make use of 32bit PAE kernel ? 

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November 4, 2013 at 10:41 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Orca
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Hm, hm hm ... wtf is a PAE thingy?

November 4, 2013 at 2:58 PM Flag Quote & Reply

c00ter
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32-bit PAE extensions allow 64-bit machines to use memory above 4 GB. Per Wikipedia:

Physical Address Extension (PAE) is a feature to allow 32-bit x86 central processing units (CPUs) to access a physical address space (including random access memory and memory mapped devices) larger than 4 gigabytes...Enabling PAE (by setting bit 5, PAE, of the system register CR4) causes major changes to this scheme. By default, the size of each page remains as 4 KB. Each entry in the page table and page directory becomes 64 bit long (8 bytes), instead of 32 bits, to allow for additional address bits.

November 4, 2013 at 3:39 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Orca
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WOW, very technical. Question is can I use 64-bit programs or do I have to use the 32-bit versions?


November 4, 2013 at 10:29 PM Flag Quote & Reply

raymerjacque
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32bit versions.

in a nutshell, the PAE removes the 4GB ram limit from 32bit, so it makes 32bit see all your ram ... And makulu already has PAE kernel activated.

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November 4, 2013 at 11:15 PM Flag Quote & Reply

c00ter
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You can't run 64-bit programs in a 32-bit environment. However, you can run 32-bit apps in a 64-bit operating system (assuming you have multiarch support enabled). But who needs the additional overhead 64-bit apps and 64-bit OSs impose?

regards,

-c00ter

November 5, 2013 at 2:13 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Butterfly Effect
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raymerjacque at November 4, 2013 at 10:41 AM

because we have both steam and wine on the distro and they arent 100% compatible with 64bit. 

Secondly, why do you need 64bit when you can make use of 32bit PAE kernel ? 

What if I don't need Steam, and can live with less than 100% compatibilite of wine programs?

64 bits OS had been invented for a reason. This distro targets desktop and laptop computers. We are in 2014, the cheapest CPU is now 64 bits. Would it be better to update the software to work on 64 bits CPU rather than adding cruft to the 32 bits version.


April 19, 2014 at 12:16 PM Flag Quote & Reply

raymerjacque
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in simple terms no.


Let us sum up the pro's and cons for a minute....


64bit MakuluLinux :

 

  • Can take advantage of better memory management ( provided the software supports it, which a lot doesn't ).
  • Altho has better memory management, it uses more system ram.
  • Issues with Wine ( so running windows apps is out the window )
  • Issues with Steam ( gaming is out the window )
  • Allows single apps to make use of more than 4GB of ram ( and there is less than a handfull of software that requires that much power ).
  • Detects all your system ram and make use of it.
  • Driver issues, Driver issues, More driver issues ....

 


32bit MakuluLinux PAE :

 

  • Runs ALL software out the box smoothly without issues
  • Runs Wine smoothly out the box without issues
  • Runs Steam out the box smoothly without issues
  • No Driver Issues
  • On MANY benchmarks it out performs 64bit because it requires less resources to run, specially with gaming.
  • Can run windows software if need be
  • Can game if need be without hiccups
  • Detects all of your system memory and makes use of it

 


Now, I am all for building 64bit OS, BUT and here comes the BIG BUT, You arent the one who must offer support on it, I am. so all these little issues and niggles that 64bit suffers from, where do you think users go for support ? These forums will be filled with driver issues, software issues, wine issues, steam issues and all kinds of other crap. Take a look at Mint, Ubuntu, Debian and all the other forums, it is plagued with such shit....


32bit PAE works out the box, detects all your ram, and look how little bugs we deal with, we get 2 or 3 bug posts a day, sometimes we go few days without any bug reports... ( this week being exception because its launch week ) And honestly, have you ever seen a linux with so much eye candy run so fast or smooth ? Ever seen software run so fast ? 


So now, looking back at all this info, you still think it is a good idea to make a 64bit OS at this point in time ?


I will make 64bit when 64bit offers the same speed and reliability that the current 32bit PAE does or when I have the man power to sit and offer support to hundreds of topics with issues. Until then, the logical thing to do is keep riding this awesome wave and keep putting out distro's that performs as intended and looks great at same time :)

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April 19, 2014 at 4:26 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Butterfly Effect
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Hi,

Thanks for the detailed info. This may explain why I have audio issue with Skype on certain machines b/c I always used 64 bits OS. On my main desktop, I was "spared" (unknowlingly) from the 64 bits you mentioned  because I only use a limited set of apps which probably are stable in 64 bits.

April 21, 2014 at 1:02 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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